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No. 50
from NurseGuapo
Old Jul 08, 2009, 08:09 AM

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Your beliefs I find disturbing. When you use Christianity to support your belief I find it even more troubling.

First of all, Nowhere did Jesus ever say anything about homosexuality being a sin. The passages about homosexuality are in Leviticus, which is the Old Testament. Christians seem to forget that the coming of Christ invalidates the old laws that were used to promote bigotry amongst the wealthy/heathy Jews and the Poor/Sickly Jews. The new law of Christ was Love thy brother as thy love thyself. Live a life of poverty, The apostles walked the land promoting the gospel. Without a beggar bowl, staff, weapons, money. They only had the clothes on their back and the belief that Christ was divine. The new law superseded the old, with te exception of the ten commandments, and those said nothing against gay people.

On average, most people forget this. I gather that many people will read this and look it up to see if it's true because the average person has a 1st grade christian education. Sadly, those are the same people who are quick to espouse their beliefs regarding what's right and wrong. If Jesus were alive today he might be living in a makeshift HIV ward in uganda, or helping to care for the sickest and most rejected by society. Based on what I've read about the man called Christ, I feel that he would be very sad if he read that there are people that believe that Homosexuality was the same as bestiality, rape, and incest. Christ was devoted to the outcast. Back in the time of Christ The Jews believed that every illness was contagious and they were even more germophobic than we are today. If you were blind, or feeble or, mentally disabled, you were forbidden to use the ritual baths that were all over all jewish cities. The sick were forced to bath in the run off from the roman bath. If you were on your monthly cycle, got dirty, slaughtered an animal or anything that made you impure you had to bathe in the bath. Even the money that you carried to donate to the temple had to be traded for clean money before it could be given to the church at an inflated price that angered the people and Christ himself. This provoked him to knock down the money exchange tables and was the action that led to his crucifixion.

If you are a medical professional and you believe that homosexuality is a sin then i will pray for you and your enlightenment. I can't help to wonder if your belief is effecting the care you bring to your patients. I'm not saying it does, I'm just concerned. I have met many medical professionals that are not comfortable with gays, and lesbians, it's ironic that they are the first to complain about not wanting to hear about their personal life, their partner, etc. Then on the other hand these "heterosexuals will freely talk about the men/women they are dating, some in double digit numbers, their sexual prowlness, the size condom used, and how the magnum size they bought was still too small." Bestiality, rape, pedophilia, are not in the same category as homosexuality because in the first three free will isn't a free option for both parties and on average are violent acts. There is nothing wrong with two people being committed to each other whether they are gay or straight provided that they are of legal consent. You are concerned about gay people, I would suggest redirecting your concern to the women in islamic countries who are victimized everyday. Young girls who are married off at 6 years old to 50-60 year old mullahs who already have 10+ wives chained inside their compounds. Girls and women who will never see the light of day without a hood over their faces. Girls that will have their first child before 9 years old and will have 6 children before 14 years old. This is the true face of evil and cruelty. This is sinful. Not two consenting grown men who choose to be in a committed relationship. These couples pay taxes build economies give to charities, invent things that improve the lives of many around the world. 100 years ago it was believed by many that black people bore the mark of cain and were subhuman. Now we know better, yet it is still acceptable to promote hateful rhetoric about gays and lesbians based on bigotry, bias, and ignorance. The msg from Christ was that of peace love forgiveness and acceptance. Not tolerance. Yes there are people who commit deviant behavior, both heterosexual and homosexual. People still accuse a male nurse as being gay, yet we never automatically accuse a female doctor of being a dyke. I personally find the word dyke offensive, but I;m using it to make a point.

If a person is a good person, and is a talented, caring, and professional medical staff person, then their sexuality shouldn't be considered. Now if a person is talking about sex with children, animals, or other perversions, then it's up to you to choose to associate with them or not. If their actions are illegal then you need to decide whether to call the authorities. If it's not, and it's something that just makes you uncomfortable, then you need to express your discomfort in a respectable manner and ask if they will not share their off work activities with you. Now if you are basing your impression regarding someone based on hearsay and gossip, then you need to consider what is the most professional course of action. If they aren't talking about it then you need to mind your business and treat them as you would like to be treated. If you don't want your co-workers gay or straight talking about their relationships, home-life, etc; Then you need to avoid those topics as well. you can't complain about someone mentioning their "spouse" The person they've been committed to "many times longer than the average marriage" solely because they are gay.

As for your belief that if you out yourself your are making yourself open to be judged. To judge someone based on that... Is a true sin. By your actions you are leaving yourself open t be judged. Whenever we judge others we open ourselves to be judged. It is our role on earth to better ourselves and the world around us. Not to judge others. We need to leave the judging to god. If we are in a jury and we are deciding the fate of a person. Then we can judge based on the evidence, and the actions of the defendant. This is necessary, for the sake of the community. Plus when someone is on trial, usually a crime was committed. Now to judge based on your own arbitrary opinion. That's a sinful waste of your energy and it opens you up to thoughts that may lead to evil doings. Look at the hate crimes. Consider the way the jews were rounded up and executed. These people were not arrested based on a criminal action. They were arrested based on belief and bigotry. I pray that you will invest less time believing that Homosexuality is a SIN and start working to improve your relationships, with your co-workers, patients, family, and friends. Sexuality should never be considered during patient care. If it is, then you are risking overlooking something important, or ever worse... making a mistake that could be fatal to the patient. I hate to suggest this, but if you feel this strongly against homosexuals then you might be in the wrong profession. I think you might benefit from taking your nursing skills and do prison service for a while. Given that you have some fervent beliefs regarding right from wrong, you might benefit from working with People who are criminal in the truest sense. You will see young men forced into homosexuality by heterosexual inmates looking to victimize inside since they can't outside. You will see criminals who have committed the most heinous crimes. You will also see how the majority of sexual crimes are committed by heterosexual men. You will see things that will make your flawed, statistically inaccurate views regarding homosexuals seem like a waste of energy that could have been devoted to the better of mankind. I will close with the belief that when you are judging others you are not looking within and evaluating your actions and sins. We are all sinners. Most of us sin within the first hour of the day.

Example = We promised our child we would take them to the park Sunday morning when we got up. Sunday morning arrives and we are tired from working 3 doubles, and 2 singles. Our child is waiting eagerly for us to crawl out of bed like we promised, yet we decide to sleep in for another 2 hours, feigning exhaustion. Understandable... I might add. Although we made a commitment, and when we cancel and don't keep our promises, we are now lying. That's technically breaking a commandment in the strictest sense.

I use this example because it is in testament law, and an example of sins committed that we might never give a second thought. This is a sin that hurts the relationship between parent and child, and effects the way the child might consider what promises are breakable and those that aren't. What I'm saying is focus on your own house before casting stones at others. I just pray that you never have a gay son or daughter. They are born that way, just so you know. If that's in your future, I hope you change your viewpoints.

My God Bless You and Your Family!

Nurse Guapo

Originally Posted by keithjones View Post
I never said that... I said the homosexual act is a sin. Wanting those jeans at the store isn't a sin... walking out with them without paying is. If you throw out standards of right and wrong you open the door to ALL deviant behavior. first it is homosexuality, then incest, child sex, bestiality, etc. Legally speaking if you change the traditional definition of marriage to allow same sex unions, why not plural marriage, or marriage to inanimate objects (yes, some people want this ).


That being said, I agree with the poster who said they could care less about the sexual orientation of the person treating them. "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" To judge a person based solely on their vice is disingenuous since we are all guilty of something. However if someone outs himself about their sexuality or other vice they should expect some to judge!
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No. 51
from Tweety
Old Jul 08, 2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
It is just hard to talk about this issue . .without talking about religion or philosophy.

I appreciate Keith's honest attempt to convey his thoughts, without malice.

steph


I'm not sure I agree with you on this. A straight guy comes home and says "gee my buddies are making fun of me and asking me if I'm gay because I want to be a nurse". Why bring up "I think homosexuality is wrong and sinful." What's the point?

I do understand that the stereotype is negatively received and negatively spewed out by str8 people because they don't like gay people and think it's sinful. Or on a lessor level simply because it's still politically correct and o.k. to make fun of gay people or call str8 guys gay as an insult. Heck Simon and Ryan Secrest on American Idol used to do it all the time. Is that what you're saying?
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No. 52
from NurseGuapo
Old Jul 08, 2009, 12:31 PM

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I think you have me mixed with Keith.,... He is the one stating that homosexuality is a sin. Read my statement refuting his belief
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No. 53
Old Jul 08, 2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
I appreciate your reminder . . . however, it is hard to answer questions like:

Originally Posted by AZO49008 What I seriously want to know is how, in 2009, does this ridiculous stereotype still exist? Surely it must be in the minds of people who either have no cultural fluency or tufts of cotton candy floating around their brain pans, or scariest of all...both

. . .without talking about WHY this stereotype still exists?

I don't think people know much about nurses period . . although they are getting quite an education with Nurse Jackie.

I didn't know the difference between a CNA, an LVN, an LPN, and an RN until I went to nursing school in my 30's.

My own husband used to think that only gay men would want to be a nurse - prior to my entering that field and educating him.

It is just hard to talk about this issue . .without talking about religion or philosophy.

I appreciate Keith's honest attempt to convey his thoughts, without malice.

steph
Point taken. Therefore, this thread will be moved to AN Central as it is clearly not a general-nursing discussion. Carry on!:typing
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No. 54
from heron
Old Jul 08, 2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VivaLasViejas View Post
Point taken. Therefore, this thread will be moved to AN Central as it is clearly not a general-nursing discussion. Carry on!:typing
Hoo-boy ... here we go!

But, seriously, for me the question is not where did the stereotype come from but why does it bother some people so much to be mistaken for gay? If you are called a name and you perceive that name as being an insult ... doesn't that say something about your own attitudes?

Although I agree with other posters that any unfounded assumption about me is annoying.

I'm a High Femme ... I get mistaken for straight all the time ... yep, annoying as ****

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No. 55
from Moogie
Old Jul 08, 2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweety View Post
I do understand that the stereotype is negatively received and negatively spewed out by str8 people because they don't like gay people and think it's sinful. Or on a lessor level simply because it's still politically correct and o.k. to make fun of gay people or call str8 guys gay as an insult. Heck Simon and Ryan Secrest on American Idol used to do it all the time. Is that what you're saying?
What I don't understand is why people---especially teenagers and twentysomethings---use "gay" to describe something that is uncool. My son---who has been taught that homophobia is WRONG---one time described his math class as "gay." EXCUSE ME? :angryfire Barbie once said that math class is tough, but how can it be homosexual? So does that mean the math class only dates other math classes like algebra or calculus and not the history or English classes?

I hear so many people using the word "gay" in the same way they used to use the cringe-worthy word "retarded". Also wrong! :angryfire Yet how many people would say something is "retarded" and not feel it was a slur against those who were developmentally disabled? I don't even like hearing someone say something is stupid---yet I find myself saying that on occasion (usually in reference to an inanimate object like a car or a computer.)

Maybe the use of the word "gay" as slang to denote uncool---like against math class---is done out of ignorance more than out of malice. Still totally wrong---and my son knows the next time he says that he's going to hear my spiel ALL OVER AGAIN because he knows better than to put down anyone. :angryfire

Sticks and stones can break our bones but words do wield tremendous power---to hurt as well as to heal.

Thanks for moving the thread, VLV!
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No. 56
from heron
Old Jul 08, 2009, 03:44 PM

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Anyone ever see the South Park episodes on this? A hoot ...
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No. 57
from Moogie
Old Jul 08, 2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by heron View Post
But, seriously, for me the question is not where did the stereotype come from but why does it bother some people so much to be mistaken for gay? If you are called a name and you perceive that name as being an insult ... doesn't that say something about your own attitudes?
Good point. Many people who are insulted at being mistaken for being gay have serious problems with their own sexuality. That doesn't mean they're necessarily gay, but they are insecure their own sexual identity and are threatened by the slightest hint that they might set off someone's gaydar.

Someone who feels secure isn't going to be threatened or insulted by someone else's mistaken perception.
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No. 58
from leslie :-D
Old Jul 08, 2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by heron View Post

But, seriously, for me the question is not where did the stereotype come from but why does it bother some people so much to be mistaken for gay? If you are called a name and you perceive that name as being an insult ... doesn't that say something about your own attitudes?
that's how i feel as well, and don't understand why many take offense?
if someone mistook me as gay, i don't think i would be offended...
yet if i did react, i would feel compelled to see what's up w/my attitude/response.

btw, what's a high femme?
urban dictionary stated contextually, that it's a gay woman who dresses/acts like a girly girl (my words).
is that what a high femme is?

Originally Posted by Moogie View Post
What I don't understand is why people---especially teenagers and twentysomethings---use "gay" to describe something that is uncool. My son---who has been taught that homophobia is WRONG---one time described his math class as "gay." EXCUSE ME?

Thanks for moving the thread, VLV!
well...i will admit to using "gay" in that context as well, i.e., that is so gay.
never, ever associated it w/homosexual gay...
rather, gay - odd, queer (another variation of odd).
will have to rethink this.

as for the thread being moved, as long as everyone can still participate, i'm fine with it.

leslie
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No. 59
from heron
Old Jul 08, 2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Moogie View Post
Good point. Many people who are insulted at being mistaken for being gay have serious problems with their own sexuality. That doesn't mean they're necessarily gay, but they are insecure their own sexual identity and are threatened by the slightest hint that they might set off someone's gaydar.

Someone who feels secure isn't going to be threatened or insulted by someone else's mistaken perception.

I agree, but I don't think it's the whole story.

Sometimes I think it's just a matter of culturally embedded images and assumptions that the individual has never had to question.
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