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| No. 50 | 
Nov 17, 2009, 12:15 PM
 Re: Bowing obama
Here's one with a mix . . from the AP. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...mSs3AD9C1CDS00
. . . ."While it may have been an awkward moment, it wasn't without precedent. And it appeared to be well within protocol guidelines that the State Department issues for foreign service officers working in other countries.
U.S. presidents from both political parties have often been criticized for their attempts at culturally sensitive greetings to high-ranking foreigners.. . . ."
. . . . ."But, he said, "We're in an environment right now where everything is hypersensitive. Any type of move that you do, there will be some group that sees some sort of message within all that."
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Nov 17, 2009, 12:21 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by Spidey's mom  The NYT's cared in 1994. (From my previous link)
."Here, let the New York Times explain it. In 1994, the Times gently rebuked President Clinton for "almost" bowing to the Japanese emperor. "It wasn't a bow, exactly," the editorial chided, "(b)ut Mr. Clinton came close. He inclined his head and shoulders forward, he pressed his hands together. It lasted no longer than a snapshot, but the image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan. Canadians still bow to England's Queen; so do Australians. Americans shake hands. If not to stand eye-to-eye with royalty, what else were 1776 and all that about?". . . .
I'm wondering if the difference NOW is that we can't criticize Obama?
And heron . . . ."baboon"? Come on . . . .  Please let's not go down that road.
steph
I think that cartoon was quite the Freudian slip. But, then again, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Interesting line of conjecture, though.
| | No. 52 |
Nov 17, 2009, 12:34 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by heron I think that cartoon was quite the Freudian slip. But, then again, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Interesting line of conjecture, though.
That's life . .. . some things are just never the same. Good thing I don't smoke cigars. 
steph
| | No. 53 |
Nov 17, 2009, 12:59 PM
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Nov 17, 2009 at 01:29 PM by Grace Oz
Re: Bowing obama
[QUOTCanadians still bow to England's Queen; so do Australians.E][/quote]
We DO???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not likely mate!!!!!
Some might do so ... but liberated Aussies ..... NO way!!!!
And ......... it's got nothing to do with manners or respect or anything such like.
You can respect a position, rank, etc, without resorting to subservient actions such as bowing, curtseying etc etc.
The worldwide acceptable handshake is all that is ever needed in any formal situation IMHO.
If however, a person chooses to observe the custom in any given country or situation, that is their choice.
OTOH ... if they choose instead to show respect, courtsey etc in their own custom, handshake etc, so be it.
The main objective should always be to show some respect in some way, how one chooses to do so really is irrelevant.
I just happen to think that bowing, curtseying, is a subservient kind of action. Rightly or wrongly, it's JMHO.
| | No. 54 |
Nov 17, 2009, 01:29 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by Grace Oz [QUOTCanadians still bow to England's Queen; so do Australians.E] We DO???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not likely mate!!!!!
Some might do so ... but liberated Aussies ..... NO way!!!!
And ......... it's got nothing to do with manners or respect or anything such like.
You can respect a position, rank, etc, without resorting to subservient actions such as bowing, curtseying etc etc. [/quote]
Yeah . . I can't imagine YOU bowing to the Queen. Not with that sig line.
Sounds like there are a lot of misconceptions.
steph
| | No. 55 |
Nov 17, 2009, 01:30 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by Spidey's mom I'm wondering if the difference NOW is that we can't criticize Obama?
steph
i don't know if this 'bash-obama-phenomena' is consistent w/other presidents.
you would have to research eisenhower, nixon, reagan, gwb- all who have also bowed/smooched/held hands.
(fwiw, i see absolutely nothing wrong with this)
me thinks it's a bunch of on-going hyperbole from the right.
i prefer to focus on substance, vs style.
leslie
| | No. 56 |
Nov 17, 2009, 01:32 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by leslie :-D i don't know if this 'bash-obama-phenomena' is consistent w/other presidents.
you would have to research eisenhower, nixon, reagan, gwb- all who have also bowed/smooched/held hands.
(fwiw, i see absolutely nothing wrong with this)
me thinks it's a bunch of on-going hyperbole from the right.
i prefer to focus on substance, vs style.
leslie
Many of the articles I read DID mention other criticisms of other presidents for not knowing the correct protocol.
steph
| | No. 57 |
Nov 17, 2009, 01:34 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by Grace Oz I just happen to think that bowing, curtseying, is a subservient kind of action. Rightly or wrongly, it's JMHO.
Careful . . you might be lumped in with me and the other right wing wackos.
I think we have a lot to learn about this stuff . .. .
steph
| | No. 58 |
Nov 17, 2009, 01:34 PM
Re: Bowing obama
[quote][/QUYeah . . I can't imagine YOU bowing to the Queen. OTE]
Nope never did when I met her in 1984! and ... she wasn't at all fussed!  | | No. 59 |
Nov 17, 2009, 01:40 PM
Re: Bowing obama Originally Posted by Grace Oz
I just happen to think that bowing, curtseying, is a subservient kind of action. Rightly or wrongly, it's JMHO.
heh...
this reminds me of some of the reactions i get, when i address someone as ma'am or sir, regardless of age.
for me, it's a sign of respect, whereas plenty of others are insulted.
personally, i find it all rather pretentious...
but not surprising.
leslie
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