| 2008 candidates: Who do you think will be in the best position to defend Healthcare ? | |
Joe Biden
|  | 0 | 0% | |
Hillary Rodham Clinton
|  | 69 | 35.75% | |
John Edwards
|  | 9 | 4.66% | |
Barack Obama
|  | 77 | 39.90% | |
Bill Richardson
|  | 0 | 0% | |
Rudy Giuliani
|  | 5 | 2.59% | |
Mike Huckabee
|  | 5 | 2.59% | |
John McCain
|  | 14 | 7.25% | |
Mitt Romney
|  | 6 | 3.11% | |
Fred Thompson
|  | 8 | 4.15% | | Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll | | No. 30 |
Sep 28, 2007, 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by stevielynn I never said vote for a Republican . . my belief is that you vote for the person who holds the values closest to your own. That may be Democrat. Or Libertarian. Or Green.
There are liberal Republicans . . .I vote for the conservative person.
No politician is going to mirror all our beliefs though. You just have to get close enough.
I used to be a Democrat and very liberal when I was young. As I started living in the real world, for me, conservatism made more sense.
I have to say you sound like my husband though - he gets very frustrated by liberals and thinks voting for liberal issues is irresponsible.
steph
I think Green is good
| | No. 31 |
Sep 30, 2007, 02:26 AM
Originally Posted by mjlrn97 :yeahthat:
And I wonder about the poll question as well: What is meant by "defending healthcare"? Does this mean defending the status quo---in other words, 40+ million uninsured Americans and literally thousands of insurance schemes complicating the works for those of us fortunate enough to have access to health care? If so, you're going to vote for a solid conservative, like Fred Thompson or Newt Gingrich. But if you want fundamental change in the way health care is delivered and funded in this country, you'll want someone like John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich.
Me, I'm somewhere between the two extremes, so I don't hold out much hope for either party's ability to deal effectively with the uninsured and underinsured while keeping government bureaucracy out of health care.  While I agree that the system desperately needs to be fixed, I harbor a healthy dose of suspicion when it comes to the sort of thing proposed by Edwards, and I'd almost rather not do anything than allow the Feds to start nosing into citizens' private health matters.
But, that's just me. 
The "status Quo" has been the status quo through Carter, Reagan, Clinton and two Bushes. I don't think it follows that a liberal will change things where a conservative won't. I do think changes will look different depending on whether there is a liberal or a conservative in office. As far as who is talking about health care, pretty much everybody running is but will any of them give it a second thought after the election?
| | No. 32 |
Nov 02, 2007, 10:35 AM
I think at least 75% of what's wrong in the health care industry in the US is lack of tort reform and lawsuit limits. Cut back on the fabulous cash prizes awarded..make people think long and hard about taking responsibility for their own health and actions...make it so staff can actually care for patients, not spend time charting for lawsuit avoidance..and it might actually improve the system. As long as the country is run by lawyers, I doubt things will ever improve. I can't see that a health care plan developed by lawyers is going to be a simple, uncomplicated process, practical, or affordable.
| | No. 33 |
Nov 02, 2007, 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by MBsGirl I think at least 75% of what's wrong in the health care industry in the US is lack of tort reform and lawsuit limits. Cut back on the fabulous cash prizes awarded..make people think long and hard about taking responsibility for their own health and actions...make it so staff can actually care for patients, not spend time charting for lawsuit avoidance..and it might actually improve the system. As long as the country is run by lawyers, I doubt things will ever improve. I can't see that a health care plan developed by lawyers is going to be a simple, uncomplicated process, practical, or affordable.
So in generalizing lawyers now, are you saying everything is perfect in our corporate little world; those folks who aren't lawyers? Not every politician is a lawyer. The issue at hand is who will attend to the problem of healthcare with leadership ability and really make a change.:trout:
| | No. 34 |
Nov 02, 2007, 02:01 PM
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Nov 02, 2007 at 02:04 PM by MBsGirl
How much of the paperwork we do in nursing is related to CYA, lawsuit avoidance, and avoidance of fines by bureacrats? And where do those often spring from? From someone who had something happen, sued, and won a big amount of cash. The issue at hand is who will attend to the problem of healthcare with leadership ability and really make a change.
That is true..and I haven't seen too much of that yet in the candidates, with the possible exception of Paul. But who wants a candidate who thinks the government should do less, not more? Very few, I'm afraid.
| | No. 35 |
Nov 04, 2007, 08:58 AM
Originally Posted by zenman Hillary has already had her turn as leader of this country. Why should we want more? 
isnt that just so silly
| | No. 36 |
Nov 04, 2007, 09:02 AM
Originally Posted by mjlrn97 I'm not even CLOSE to making up my mind. I want to hear what all of the candidates have to say about all of the issues, not just health care, even though that's very important to me and could be a factor in choosing between two or three prospective Presidents.
I can, however, guarantee that the only way Hillary is getting my vote is if the Republican candidate is worse.
With what they have to offer, I beilive that is already true then
While Hillary is Demo. She is still to far to the right for my tastes, but she will appeal to others. I Prefer Edwards
Or even Al Gore. Go to the Draft Gore sight
| | No. 37 |
Nov 04, 2007, 09:05 AM
Originally Posted by stevielynn I used to be a Democrat and very liberal when I was young. As I started living in the real world, for me, conservatism made more sense.
I have to say you sound like my husband though - he gets very frustrated by liberals and thinks voting for liberal issues is irresponsible.
steph
Besides being conservative is just safer and less change, and as we get older we dont like change as much.
| | No. 38 |
Nov 04, 2007, 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by MBsGirl How much of the paperwork we do in nursing is related to CYA, lawsuit avoidance, and avoidance of fines by bureacrats? And where do those often spring from? From someone who had something happen, sued, and won a big amount of cash. The issue at hand is who will attend to the problem of healthcare with leadership ability and really make a change.
That is true..and I haven't seen too much of that yet in the candidates, with the possible exception of Paul. But who wants a candidate who thinks the government should do less, not more? Very few, I'm afraid.
Working case managment, I'm sure you weeded through mountains of paperwork. Provision of healthcare in America for Americans will hopefully be governed, and as far as folks suing each other, along with all the paperwork came a paycheck,eh?
| | No. 39 |
Nov 06, 2007, 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by teeituptom Besides being conservative is just safer and less change, and as we get older we dont like change as much.
there are a lot of latter day hippies that haven't changed their mind in 40 years..liberal or conservative we need to keep open minds and listen to what each one is saying -
please don't mention gore when others might be eating
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