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Old Nov 20, 2009, 10:12 AM

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No. 11
from Elvish
Old Nov 20, 2009, 02:14 PM

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From some of my favorite libertarians:
Prior to 9/11, it was a well-established principle that terrorism cases could be tried only in federal district court. That’s not surprising given that that terrorism has long been listed in the U.S. Code as a criminal offense – and still is. That’s precisely why terrorists are still being indicted and tried in federal district court even today.
Thus, when the terrorists struck the World Trade Center in 1993, Ramzi Yousef, one of the terrorist perpetrators, was tried, convicted, and sentenced in federal district court. Again, that’s because terrorism is a criminal offense in the U.S. Code, a fact that no one disputes.
The solution that U.S. officials came up with was the same one that Hitler came up with: establish a brand new judicial system where convictions would be guaranteed. No more legal technicalities that would enable judges to let terrorists back on the streets. No more pesky defense attorneys ardently fighting for the acquittal of their clients. Just convictions and punishment for the terrorists.....
Nothing scares U.S. interventionists more than any proceeding that might focus on the bad things that the U.S. government has been doing to people overseas, which has engendered the anger and rage that has led to terrorist retaliation. The charade that the terrorists hate us for our “freedom and values” must be maintained at all costs.
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from Medic2RN
Old Nov 22, 2009, 11:39 AM

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Lindsey Graham and Eric Holder
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Old Nov 22, 2009, 11:43 AM

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WOW - that is amazing - thanks Medic! Whew!


steph
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No. 14
from herring_RN
Old Nov 22, 2009, 12:08 PM

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The Obama administration is NOT liberal. This is not true change. This is so middle of the road wishy washy "policy". I am disappointed.


The Administration guts its own argument for 9/11 trials

"What I'm absolutely clear about is that I have complete confidence in the American people and our legal traditions and the prosecutors, the tough prosecutors from New York who specialize in terrorism" -- Barack Obama, yesterday.

"Holder said five other Guantanamo detainees would be tried by military tribunals. The five include Abd al-Rahim al Nashiri, who is accused of masterminding the 2000 attack on the USS Cole warship in Yemen; and Canadian Omar Khadr, accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan" -- NPR, yesterday.

"'Administration officials say they expect that as many as 40 of the 215 detainees at Guantanamo will be tried in federal court or military commissions . . . . and about 75 more have been deemed too dangerous to release but cannot be prosecuted because of evidentiary issues and limits on the use of classified material' . . . If true, that means that there are 75 so-called 'Fifth Category' detainees who might be subject to indefinite detention without trial" -- The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, yesterday, quoting The Washington Post....

...Once you endorse the notion that the Government has the right to imprison people not captured on any battlefield without giving them trials -- as the Obama administration is doing explicitly and implicitly -- what convincing rationale can anyone offer to justify giving Mohammed and other 9/11 defendants a real trial in New York? ...

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...ama/index.html

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from Medic2RN
Old Nov 23, 2009, 09:08 AM

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Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views
The five men facing trial in the Sept. 11 attacks will plead not guilty so that they can air their criticisms of U.S. foreign policy, the lawyer for one of the defendants said Sunday.

Scott Fenstermaker, the lawyer for accused terrorist Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, said the men would not deny their role in the 2001 attacks but "would explain what happened and why they did it."
Critics of Holder's decision - mostly Republicans - argued the trial will give Mohammed and his co-defendants a world stage to spout hateful rhetoric. Holder said such concerns are misplaced, and any pronouncements by the suspects would only make them look worse.
"I have every confidence that the nation and the world will see him for the coward that he is," Holder told the committee. "I'm not scared of what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has to say at trial - and no one else needs to be, either."
I was thinking about the decision to prosecute the terrorists in Federal court and give them the same rights as US citizens: Miranda rights, discovery, due process and civil suits. If the terrorists are found not guilty by some technicality (which can happen, especially since the "arrest" was probably not in the mindset of OUR court system), then the terrorists could file a civil suit and sue for the way they were treated.

I, personally, do not want these terrorists to be prosecuted under the Federal system. I think this gives the government the opportunity to pervert our justice system and I find that unacceptable. I pray this doesn't turn into a kangaroo court.
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from Medic2RN
Old Nov 23, 2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
WOW - that is amazing - thanks Medic! Whew!


steph
Yup, NEVER happened previously. Setting precedence here, case law, new stuff....big time.....again this year.
Scary stuff.
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No. 17
from Miss Mab
Old Nov 23, 2009, 07:08 PM

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Except the one that's been going on for six months now, right?

Did you cover that already? I'm confused about the NEVER stuff...
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No. 18
from Kolohe99
Old Nov 23, 2009, 08:30 PM

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Here is an article from a man who is not a professional writer, but I put more credence into his opinion than any other author or pundit who has pontificated on this subject. His name is David Beamer..... the father of Todd Beamer.

The attorney general seemed bewildered in the face of these inquiries. Recurring themes in his responses included "I think," and "I can't imagine," and "I am not an expert in immigration."
Has our attorney general not considered these issues, or imagined the possible unintended consequences that will arise from his historic decision? It certainly seemed that way. If he had, he would have had better answers.

A second shocker: Mr. Holder said that he and his boss had not spoken in person about this decision. This matter only involves upholding the constitutional rights of Americans, establishing a precedent with battlefield impact, and the safety and security of our citizens in a time of war. What are the criteria to make something a priority with President Barack Obama? How can it be that this matter didn't make the cut?
Our enemies must be thrilled. We are willingly handing them an opportunity to inflict economic harm on New York City, keep their cause in the headlines, gather new intelligence, create new terror strategies, stimulate recruiting, celebrate new-found rights, and foist a fresh round of pain and suffering upon their victims.
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from Medic2RN
Old Nov 23, 2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Mab View Post
Except the one that's been going on for six months now, right?

Did you cover that already? I'm confused about the NEVER stuff...
Yes, prior to this occurrence even though it has been going on for this length of time...
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