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Old Nov 19, 2009, 12:34 AM
Updated Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM by Man In Black

Default Health care Reform Bill Major Deficit Reducer



The health care bill--which includes an opt-out public option--will require $849 billion over 10 years in new spending, to be paid for with cuts to Medicare, while reducing the deficit by $127 billion.
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He also commented on the recent guidelines released by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force that say women should wait until age 50 to start regular mammograms to screen for breast cancer, instead of the age of 40.

Reid said it is "outrageous" and women "should not have to wait until they are 50 years old" to get the screenings.


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The real story is that transparent political marketplaces can yield desired market results. While this bill is not perfect it is a good start towards creating a real transparent insurance marketplace where apples are apples across and between health insurance plans.
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Old Nov 19, 2009, 01:29 PM

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It seems the math is a little fuzzy with this one. The plan Reid is promoting collects revenues for 4 years before any spending is done. Again, anybody can lie with statistics and Reid has done it again. This bill needs to die and have REAL bipartisan efforts. One member voting for it DOES NOT make it truly bipartisan.

Republicans have countered the CBO estimate with a figure of their own: $2.5 trillion, an estimate that comes out of the Senate Budget Committee minority's analysis of Reid's plan.

"This is a lousy bill that's going to cost American taxpayers like mad for the rest of our lives," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a fierce critic of the health care legislation, told Fox News on Thursday.

Part of the problem with the CBO estimate is that it covers a 10-year period from 2010-2019 -- however, the health care reform plan is not fully implemented until 2014. That means the federal government is raking in billions in taxes and savings for the first four years without spending on the new program. The $2.5 trillion estimate is for the 10-year window starting in 2014, after implementation of the program begins.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ailed-fantasy/
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from VickyRN
Old Nov 19, 2009, 01:44 PM

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"Deficit reducer?" Let's buy up some swampland in Florida while we're at it...
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Old Nov 20, 2009, 10:00 AM

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The republicans at last count have offered 260 amendments which were accepted by the majority in the senate.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for the "real bipartisanship" argument as when push comes to shove the answer for reform always seems to be do nothing on the part of the loyal opposition. (Without a link I can't evaluate the Senate GOP claim...:> although I wold question any partisan derived data. CBO is nonpartisan....)

(The evidence from other countries is that a commitment to universal coverage yields better care at a lower price EVERY TIME. )

The reality is that the countries who follow the Bismarck Model deliver universal coverage at lower cost with mandatory participation by employers and employees.....

Some of the reforms will start instantly as far as I can tell...(No preexisting condition exclusion, The ability for college students to stay on their parents plan until age 25 (27?) Tailoring reimbursements towards evidence based practice...)

Could the bill be better? Of course it can. My point was that getting a bill passed gets us started.

For all the noise made about the recent mammogram recommendation change did anyone notice Sen Reids comment. He came out and said in so many words that reimbursements for the procedure should not change from current practice under reform. (Effectiveness research may find that genetic testing for BRCA and HEr would be a better strategy for identifying women at risk of developing breast cancer between age 40-50 which cold then tailor mammogram practices...)
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Old Nov 20, 2009, 10:21 AM

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Old Nov 20, 2009, 10:23 AM

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As a woman, I completely disagree with the mammogram recommendations. And now they are adding pap/pelvic exams.

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Old Nov 20, 2009, 10:28 AM
Updated Nov 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM by HM2VikingRN

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Man In Black did discuss his concerns about this issue.....The point he made was that reform brings reimbursement issues out of the corporate boardroom and into the open for collective discussion and decision making through political processes.
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from VickyRN
Old Nov 20, 2009, 10:34 AM

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) has unveiled his more than 2,000-page healthcare bill with an estimated price tag of $849 billion. However, as Grace Marie Turner of the Galen Institute points out, one of the reasons the bill was scored under President Obama's $900 billion cost goal is because no one gets any benefit from the program until 2014.

"So they start collecting taxes and fees now, and...the first ten years of full implementation of this bill is $2.5 trillion, and that's only the beginning," Turner explains. "So this does not in any way...meet President Obama's budget specification. And there are all sorts of tricks that they have pulled in this bill to try to pretend that it's deficit-neutral."

Turner says although the bill is a "carefully crafted" document designed to garner as close to 60 votes as Senator Reid can, it contains lots of new taxes and $500 billion in cuts to Medicare.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/D...aspx?id=776792

I'm tired of all the shenanigans, the smoke and mirrors, the outright lies. They must think the American people are pretty stupid to buy into this ridiculous lie. Yes, this frightening bill will end up bankrupting America, especially the middle class - now that is the unembellished truth.
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Old Nov 20, 2009, 11:01 AM

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The Commonwealth Fund Analysis

CBO estimates that other provisions in the Finance Committee bill intended to make Medicare and Medicaid more efficient would yield $415 billion in savings, totaling $404 billion in net savings over the 10-year period, 2010–2019.
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Medicare Advantage Reforms
The Finance Committee bill makes a number of changes to the Medicare Advantage program, most notably transitioning to competitive bidding and private FFS plans. CBO estimates that these changes would yield $130 billion in savings over 10 years.10
One of the nicer things about the bill is its reduction of Medicare Advantage subsidies to private insurance. Medicare advantage is more expensive and yields no better results than traditional FFS Medicare.....

The evidence shows:



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