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Apr 01, 2009 08:44 AM

Obama Budget Retains Death Tax

by Jolie

Night of the Living Death Tax
Obama's budget quietly resurrects it in 2010.

Lawrence Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, declared recently that "Let's be very clear: There are no, no tax increases this year. There are no, no tax increases next year." Oh yes, yes, there are. The President's budget calls for the largest increase in the death tax in U.S. history in 2010.

The announcement of this tax increase is buried in footnote 1 on page 127 of the President's budget. That note reads: "The estate tax is maintained at its 2009 parameters." This means the death tax won't fall to zero next year as scheduled under current law, but estates will be taxed instead at up to 45%, with an exemption level of $3.5 million (or $7 million for a couple). Better not plan on dying next year after all.

full article:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123846422014872229.html

So much for a new transparency in the Obama administration.


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from heron
Old Apr 01, 2009, 08:52 AM

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If I had it, I'm sure my kid would manage to survive on 3.5 million.

No outrage here.
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 09:25 AM

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Nor am I particularly outraged since those potentially affected by the estate tax pay a much lower marginal tax rate than the bottom 95% of the economy....
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 09:28 AM

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It's the principle of it. Essentially being taxed on the same money twice. No surprise. There are going to be many many tax increases, thinly veiled as something other than a "tax." There is no transparency. When are people going to finally admit that he's turning a 180 on almost everything he promised?
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 09:42 AM

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You should be concerned.

Larry Summers' own study, done in 1980 reveals that the death tax prevents capitalization of small business. In the midst of a recession, development of small business is exactly what we need to help the economy.

The liberal government presentation of the death tax as a matter of class envy is going to cost all U.S. citizens by prolonging the recession for the express purpose of punishing the "rich."

FROM WSJ

HEAD: Night of the Living Death Tax

SUB-HEAD: Obama's budget quietly resurrects it in 2010

This controversy dates back to George W. Bush's first tax cut in 2001 that
phased down the estate tax from 55% to 45% this year and then to zero next
year. Although that 10-year tax law was to expire in 2011, meaning that the
death tax rate would go all the way back to 55%, the political expectation
was that once the estate tax was gone for even one year, it would never
return.


And that is no doubt why the Obama Administration wants to make sure it
never hits zero. It doesn't seem to matter that the vast majority of the
money in an estate was already taxed when the money was earned. Liberals
counter that the estate tax is "fair" because it is only paid by the richest
2% of American families. This ignores that much of the long-term saving and
small business investment in America is motivated by the ability to pass on
wealth to the next generation.


The importance of intergenerational wealth transfers was first measured in a
National Bureau of Economic Research study in 1980. That study looked at
wealth and savings over the first three-quarters of the 20th century and
found that "intergenerational transfers account for the vast majority of
aggregate U.S. capital formation." The co-author of that study was . . .
Lawrence Summers.


Many economists had previously believed in "the life-cycle theory" of
savings, which postulates that workers are motivated to save with a goal of
spending it down to zero in retirement. Mr. Summers and coauthor Laurence
Kotlikoff showed that patterns of savings don't validate that model; they
found that between 41% and 66% of capital stock was transferred either by
bequests at death or through trusts and lifetime gifts. A major motivation
for saving and building businesses is to pass assets on so children and
grandchildren have a better life.

What all this means is that the higher the estate tax, the lower the
incentive to reinvest in family businesses.

full commentary:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...896553738cee1e
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tntrn View Post
Essentially being taxed on the same money twice.
Most taxes are levied upon the passing of monies from one party to another, such as sales tax, income tax, etc. Financial inheritance is also the passing of monies from one party to another. If a person is lucky enough to be concerned about the inheritance tax on their assets above 3.5 million, then they probably also have the where with all to work with a tax advisor to plan their estate. If the person wants their family to inherit more than 3.5 million, they will then have to pay substantial taxes on that. But they could also choose to donate money or spend the money in other ways.

I can see why folks wouldn't like this specific inheritance tax policy, but I don't the the general concept of an inheritance tax is totally wrong.

While I might not agree with a specific tax regulation or with a specific use of tax monies, I don't see paying taxes as inherently negative. I want to live in a society where education and health care is accessible and affordable, where the streets are safe to walk on, where banks are regulated, with libraries and parks in each community, with good public transit, etc. I recognize that some will contribute less financially and use more public services and I'm okay with that; though I certainly want to see efforts to minimize blatant abuses. I don't expect perfection. There will always be those scheming how to take advantage of whatever system is in place, from both ends of the social and financial spectrum.
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 10:17 AM

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Obama wants to do away with charitable donations as deductions too. That's going to hurt so many good charities. Yet another way to make Big Government the only help that's out there. They won't be happy until they control every aspect of your life.
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jjjoy View Post
There will always be those scheming how to take advantage of whatever system is in place, from both ends of the social and financial spectrum.
Desiring to pass on the fruits of one's lifetime of labor to one's family is hardly scheming the system. This money was already taxed when it was earned. Should a family really lose half of it's assets upon death simply because they saved for the future?

Families are forced to sell their farms and small businesses to meet death tax obligations that are confiscatory and punitive. If the death tax is such a great idea, apply it uniformly to all estates.
The death tax exists simply as a punitive measure to the "rich." The higher it is raised, the less revenue it produces. Cuting it would benefit the economy. How's that for cutting of one's nose to spite one's face?

Is the Estate Tax a (Revenue) Loser?

by J. D. Foster, Ph.D.

Arguments for Repeal
There are many good reasons to repeal the estate tax. It prevents small businesses and farmers from passing their businesses on to the next generation. It penalizes saving and capital formation. And it greatly discourages the creation of new wealth by America’s most innovative, productive entrepreneurs....

The Misleading Estimates of Estate Tax Revenue
With all this against it, the estate tax has one last remaining ally, and that is the belief, supported by official estimates, that it brings a lot of money into the U.S. Treasury. In fact, it certainly does not raise nearly the money that the official estimates show, and it may even lose money. There are five reasons why, and the first two come under the general heading of robbing the income tax to avoid the estate tax....

Conclusion
Even without considering the “supply-side” effects, the estate tax significantly reduces income tax receipts, first by encouraging donors to transfer assets to individuals whose personal income tax rates are likely to be below that of the donor. Second, by encouraging donors to transfer assets to tax-exempt entities, the estate tax removes the income produced by the assets from the income tax base. The official revenue estimates ignore these effects.

The estate tax is a levy without a mission. Its ill effects are legion, its social policy motivation obsolete, and even its revenue is an illusion. It should be repealed.

full comentary:http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/187.html
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 11:58 AM

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Just for jollies, I took a stab at guesstimating what I would actually get if I inherited 5 million dollars from some long lost relative.

The amount subject to the death tax would be 1.5 million, 55% of which comes to 825K.

825K added to the 3.5 million excluded from the death tax comes to 4.325 million dollars in unearned income.

I don't know what the income tax rate on that much would be, so let's figure 75% = $1,081,250. That's what I would net just for being born in the right family. I live quite comfortably on 50K a year after taxes and various deductions from my paycheck. That's enough to support me for the next 21.6 years. Unearned. Free money ... kinda like welfare that way.

Sorry ... I don't see how this constitutes a disaster for anyone, especially given all the work-arounds available in good estate planning. To paraphrase many of our good ER nurses, bad planning on your part does not constitute a crisis on mine. If a home or business has to be sold to meet a tax obligation, then there should have been better planning.

Or does personal responsibility not apply if you have more than 3.5 million in assets?
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Old Apr 01, 2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tntrn View Post
Obama wants to do away with charitable donations as deductions too. That's going to hurt so many good charities. Yet another way to make Big Government the only help that's out there. They won't be happy until they control every aspect of your life.
This is how rumors get started. Your post is not factual.

Obama's proposed budget released last month would limit the charitable deduction beginning in 2011 — to raise more than $318 billion for reshaping the nation's health care system. The policy would affect families that have more than $250,000 in income. Instead of a charitable tax deduction of 33 or 35 cents for each dollar donated, as they do now, taxpayers would get 28 cents under the Obama plan, which is a return to 1980s levels.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articl...NEWS-903290342
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