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Jul 23, 2009 04:42 PM

Obama Takes Sides....Against Police

by Pierrette Premium Member

Why should this surprise anyone?

"Police say Gates flew into a verbal rage when officers asked him for identification while investigating a report of a break-in at his home."

Yet, the Cambridge police "acted stupidly". "I don't know what role race played in that". Yeah, President Obama, the great uniter.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32092715...and_ethnicity/


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Old Jul 23, 2009, 05:49 PM
Updated Jul 23, 2009 at 05:58 PM by VORB

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This is making more news than the news conference itself, as it should. He stuck his nose into something he knows nothing about -- much like he's doing with healthcare. Cops around the nation are outraged, as they should be.
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Old Jul 23, 2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VORB View Post
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This is making more news than the news conference itself, as it should. He stuck his nose into something he knows nothing about -- much like he's doing with healthcare. Cops around the nation are outraged, as they should be.
At least it's more news that the "news" conference. That was an hour of, uh, nothing new. He was unable to answer any of the questions in less than 6 or 7 minutes. I don't usually even listen because I don't like what he says or how he says it, both of which were confirmed for me once again.

And yes, he sure did stick his nose into something he knows nothing about.
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Old Jul 23, 2009, 09:40 PM

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oh paleeze, the man was unfairly arrested at his own home. as to obama getting involved Professor Gates is a friend of the presidents, and he should be able to passionately respond, and for those of us who have been profiled, we get it and his recognition of such was heartening. Yes the police did act stupidly... as they do many many times, especially when they take positions of power over people... and more importantly abuse this power.I guess libertarian principles only apply to a select few situations!
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Old Jul 23, 2009, 10:24 PM

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oh paleeze, the man was unfairly arrested at his own home. as to obama getting involved Professor Gates is a friend of the presidents, and he should be able to passionately respond, and for those of us who have been profiled, we get it and his recognition of such was heartening.
And it's not like racial profiling has never been an issue in Massachusetts.

Racial profiling is alive and well
Boston Globe
Consider the 2003 case of King Downing, director of the National Campaign Against Racial Profiling for the ACLU, who was detained at Logan Airport when he refused to provide identification to a police officer. Downing sued, saying he was the victim of racial profiling, and a jury found that his Fourth Amendment rights had been violated. Apparently, the Cambridge police didn’t get the message that detaining people based on their color is unconstitutional in America.

Maybe the Cambridge police officer was instead following the example set in the case of Jason Vassell, a former student at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst with no previous criminal history. Vassell, an African-American, was recently charged with aggravated assault and battery in the stabbing of two men inside his dormitory. The incident started when the two men, both white, reportedly smashed Vassell’s window while hurling racial epithets at him, then entered the building and attacked Vassel. The two white attackers got off lightly, while Vassell is facing serious jail time.

Or perhaps the Cambridge police thought that they could just ignore the law. That’s what some 40 percent of 247 Massachusetts police departments have done in response to a state law that requires them to track the race and gender of people stopped by police for alleged traffic violations, according to the Executive Office of Public Safety.

Those departments were found to have apparent racial disparities in traffic citations after a year-long study of citation patterns throughout Massachusetts. Rather than comply with the requirement to track all stops, however, nearly half of Massachusetts law enforcement agencies have simply disregarded the law.
And that doesn't include the Charles Stuart case, in which he killed his own pregnant wife, shot himself, then claimed that a black man did it. The police believed him and began a citywide search for the killer, targeting African-American men and inflaming racial tensions in Boston. They even wrongly arrested a black man for the crime, before Stuart's brother fingered him as the killer.

A more accurate thread title would be, "Obama Takes Sides Against Racial Profiling," but I am not at all surprised that it got twisted into Obama against the police.


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Old Jul 23, 2009, 10:31 PM

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It may not have been profiling.
Often police officers react to anything less than complete obedience and submission as a lack of respect.

But a person returning home, jet lagged and tired to be handcuffed in his own home may try to get the officers to understand that it is his house.
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Old Jul 23, 2009, 11:16 PM

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I suggest people read the full police report before making judgements. The officer that arrested him is actually the department expert on racial profiling and the ex police chief who is black states that he stands behind the officer. Gee and you think a professor who is a spokesman for racism and has a history of screamng racism at everything might just be doing his usual thing? I read the full report and the officer reacted appropriately and was attemptng to leave when Gates continued on in full force outside his home and was causing a disturbance. The handcuffs were not applied untill then. He was not in his house but rather outside.
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Old Jul 23, 2009, 11:18 PM

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As far as it being "something he knows nothing about," besides that fact that as a black man he's probably experienced it first hand, as a state senator he worked with the police to change policing policies in Illinois regarding racial profiling:

[In 2003] Obama's bill, which commissioned a study on the race of motorists pulled over by police in traffic stops, passed the Illinois Senate on a 58-0 vote and the House by 113-2.

In the year leading up to the bill's passage, Dillard said Obama had regular meetings early on Monday mornings at the Thompson Center in Chicago's Loop with then-Illinois Attorney General Jim Ryan, a Republican; law enforcement representatives and others to hammer out details of the legislation.


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Old Jul 23, 2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyrshamarks View Post
I suggest people read the full police report before making judgements. The officer that arrested him is actually the department expert on racial profiling and the ex police chief who is black states that he stands behind the officer. Gee and you think a professor who is a spokesman for racism and has a history of screamng racism at everything might just be doing his usual thing? I read the full report and the officer reacted appropriately and was attemptng to leave when Gates continued on in full force outside his home and was causing a disturbance. The handcuffs were not applied untill then. He was not in his house but rather outside.
citations please?

And why, exactly did the office enter Professor Gates home after he refused the request? Gates gave him his ID proving it was his residence.

60 y.o.s are such a menace, particularly when they are black.
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Old Jul 23, 2009, 11:23 PM

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

here is the police report in full
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