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Nov 13, 2009 10:43 AM

The Right to die.

by GCTMT

This is an older opinion piece but, I found it quite interesting. What do you think?

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The right to die

AIX-EN-PROVENCE, France — 'Every person shall have the right to die with dignity; this right shall include the right to choose the time of one's death and to receive medical and pharmaceutical assistance to die painlessly. No physician, nurse or pharmacist shall be held criminally or civilly liable for assisting a person in the free exercise of this right."


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from heron
Old Nov 13, 2009, 02:10 PM
Updated Nov 13, 2009 at 02:29 PM by heron

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As long as no doctor, nurse or other provider is held liable for not assisting as well, as well as prohibiting any person other than the patient from making the decision, then I say right on! It puts the decision back in the hands of the person doing the dying and whatever deity she/he worships, where it belongs.
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from Elvish
Old Nov 13, 2009, 02:24 PM

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While I agree that this is a right patients should have, I also want an out for HCPs who, for whatever reason, don't want to be the one to give them that KCl (or whatever). If a patient decides they want to die, they should be allowed to but it should be something they administer themselves. I couldn't be the one to give someone that dose. If they draw it up and inject it, that's one thing. But I couldn't do it.
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Old Nov 13, 2009, 08:57 PM

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I fully support the autonomy of the individual to make this choice but I could not be an active participant. To me life is just too precious to be involved in the willful ending.
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from Rebel Yell
Old Nov 14, 2009, 10:58 PM

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If you have ever worked in an ICU, you may have done it already. I work in adult ICU, and I have been the one to withdraw the life support (with the doctor and family permission, of course). If they are alone, I talk to them and try to comfort their passing. If you believe in something "on the other side", it gives you strength to do it. But it is a different story when it is not a clear line. I don't know if I could do it to someone I think has viability. But to tell someone how to live their life isn't right. And I agree, no one should be forced to do this if they are not comfortable with it.
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Old Nov 15, 2009, 09:34 AM

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Withdrawing life support and actively killing someone are different things - although Rebel Yell is right . . .sometimes that line is not clear depending on wear you work.

I don't believe in making it legal to actively assist someone in killing themselves.

steph
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from GCTMT
Old Nov 15, 2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
Withdrawing life support and actively killing someone are different things - although Rebel Yell is right . . .sometimes that line is not clear depending on wear you work.

I don't believe in making it legal to actively assist someone in killing themselves.

steph

Why not, Steph? If you don't mind me asking, I'm curious to read your opinions on it. Are you against it for all cases? What if someone is suffering from some terrible disease that is killing them and they are begging for death, should it then be legal for someone to actively assist?

And sorry people, I know that's pretty depressing.

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Old Nov 16, 2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GCTMT View Post
Why not, Steph? If you don't mind me asking, I'm curious to read your opinions on it. Are you against it for all cases? What if someone is suffering from some terrible disease that is killing them and they are begging for death, should it then be legal for someone to actively assist?

And sorry people, I know that's pretty depressing.

Um . . no . . because that is murder.

Actively taking someone's life is murder.

Look it up.

(Gotta go to work or I'd chat more . . . . ) steph
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from HeyJude
Old Nov 16, 2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
Um . . no . . because that is murder.

Actively taking someone's life is murder.
So then, we agree that capital punishment is murder? Forgive me for taking this in a different direction than perhaps was intended...but I had to ask.

On the original topic, I'm with those who think it's an individual's right to die on their own terms but I wouldn't want to be an accessory thereto.
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Old Nov 17, 2009, 08:03 AM

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I have seen many people choose death. They have stopped eating, taking necessary meds, refused fluids. We continue to care for them and treat the symptoms of impending death. Usually this is with narc. meds that decrease resp. and B/P. We all know that this does not prolong life. We, working with patient, family, and HCP make decisions that will potentially decease life span. We learn a language that does not say we kill. It says we help to provide comfort during the dying process. We have no way of knowing how much our actions have hastened death.

I am comfortable with this level of supporting the right to die. As a nurse I cannot give a lethal dose of meds. I can give meds that might decrease length of dying process.

Capital punishment is murder in my mind. That is a totally different thread, I think.
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