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May 17, 2009, 10:40 AM
 Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists? Originally Posted by Agrippa  Oh please...I love how you all are so worried about the deficit at a time like this when we are on the verge of an economic calamity. We need to stimulate the economy that means giving tax breaks to the middle class who actually will spend money and recirculate the money back into the economy. This also means spending by the government as well, the biggest employer in the country. Giving more tax breaks to the rich so they can sit on it won't stimulate the economy.
Crying about government spending/deficit right now is like crying to the firefighters to try not to get the carpet wet while they're putting out the fire thats burning down you're house.
Of course republicans are resisting what Obama is doing! There is a reason there are 2 parties- they have different ideologies.
Republicans are completely against the idea of larger gov't control and larger gov't intervention for the sheer reason that the gov't is terribly inefficient. The most recent Bush was no republican by the way. His actions subverted states rights, expanded the gov't and demolished of personal rights. These are NOT republican in any way.
Obama, at this point is doing too much at once. Not only will he create many poorly run programs but he will also create a huge deficit that will cause massive inflation. Your "real income" will go down. He's not RE-circulating money, he's using money that the government doesnt have. He in effect is printing money that is backed by nothing.This will actually prolong the recession as it will take years, possibly decades for the power of the dollar to come back. Quick fixes for long term problems- great idea. I just hope he doesn't put this kind of ideology to work on the heath care system.
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May 17, 2009, 10:58 AM
Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists? Originally Posted by tntrn Maybe you can give an example of what compromises the Dems have offered to make.
Sure thing. But I do hope you're at least going to fairly consider them. For starters, even before Obama was in office, Republicans sidelines Energy bills in the senate, Global Warming bill (which some still don't think it exists), and amendment to the 1964 Civil Rights act to allow employees to file charges of pay discrimination (you know, like women getting paid less than men for doing the same job),etc.
Republican leaders have admitted to using such obstructionist tactics.
“The strategy of being obstructionist can work or fail,” said Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-Miss.). “For [then-Senate Minority Leader Tom] Daschle (S.D.), it failed. For Reid, it succeeded, and so far it’s working for us.” http://www.rollcall.com/issues/52_110/news/18024-1.html
How about being productive and contribute new ideas to the mix instead of slapping away the hand thats been outreached to them?
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May 17, 2009, 11:00 AM
Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists? Originally Posted by Ladyashleyd This is surely not the time to be worried about what the deficit will be, however I absolutely LOVE the idea of Obama being re-elected for a 2nd term! Furthermore, Obama was handed this magnificent mess by your favorite Republican - GHWB - so whatever happens, cut him some slack, he's got a lot of work to do & he needs 2 terms just to get started. Lastly, I'm young, so I'll stick to what I know - recent history - and modern history says, Democrats do it better. Don't believe me, do the homework, compare & contrast & see for yourself!
Keep in mind he's only been in office for less than 5 months!
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May 17, 2009, 11:03 AM
Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists?
Obama has inherited problems, but so did Bush. September 11th (Oh wait he is a bumbling idiot, yet a mastermind who created sept 11th), Katrina (he probably created that also), etc. I say don't use money to bail out GM, Chrysler, financials, etc (by the way Bush was doing this as well) just give the money back to the tax payers who can spend it on the economy, use it to cover their poor decision to buy a house for more than it was really worth, go to college, etc.
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May 17, 2009, 11:08 AM
Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists? Originally Posted by wowza
Republicans are completely against the idea of larger gov't control and larger gov't intervention for the sheer reason that the gov't is terribly inefficient. The most recent Bush was no republican by the way. His actions subverted states rights, expanded the gov't and demolished of personal rights. These are NOT republican in any way.
I totally agree. There was a time when the GOP, the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Barry Goldwater, was respectable. But now they've fallen into total disarray and all they can fire back with is "we're anti-Obama". They've lost their values of fiscal responsibility and responsible foreign policy. Now the Republican Party just talks Jesus but Walks corporate.
On the issues of the stimulus, I understand people's dismay at the amount of spending the government is doing. Yet we really need to keep in mind the gravity of the situation. We've only seen one other time where we faced these kinds of economic challenges, that was the Great Depression. What got us out? A combination of the New Deal. What really kick started the change however was WWII. What about WWII helped the economy recover? The Government increased spending and infused capital into the economy. We needed to produce tanks, ships, supplies, planes, etc. In other words, the government started SPENDING. After the economy got back on track and boomed, the growth led to the Golden Age of the 50s to arguably the early 2000s.
Simply put, we need to stimulate the economy to recover and the best, most direct way to do this is through public policy, not the "trickle down" theory. This is simple Keynesian economics. The alternative is sit on our hands and wait for the economy to take its course - much like Hoover did. That led to massive unemployment and the rise of Hoovervilles.
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May 17, 2009, 11:21 AM
Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists? Originally Posted by Ladyashleyd Furthermore, Obama was handed this magnificent mess by your favorite Republican - GHWB - so whatever happens, cut him some slack, he's got a lot of work to do & he needs 2 terms just to get started. Lastly, I'm young, so I'll stick to what I know - recent history
I believe you mean GWB, not GHWB, who left office in 1992.
I understand that young voters don't have a good sense of history, mainly because the public schools do a lousy job of teaching it and it is not typically a subject of interest to the very young. But perhaps you would benefit by reading the disastrous effects of the Jimmy Carter administration on our nations's economy. That will help you understand why the nation overwhelmingly supported Ronald Reagan in 2 elections, and why the Obama administration is likely to have the same result.
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May 17, 2009, 12:04 PM
Re: Will Republicans ever contribute good ideas instead of just bing Obstructionists? Originally Posted by Jolie I believe you mean GWB, not GHWB, who left office in 1992.
I understand that young voters don't have a good sense of history, mainly because the public schools do a lousy job of teaching it and it is not typically a subject of interest to the very young. But perhaps you would benefit by reading the disastrous effects of the Jimmy Carter administration on our nations's economy. That will help you understand why the nation overwhelmingly supported Ronald Reagan in 2 elections, and why the Obama administration is likely to have the same result.
Thank you for correcting my error. Who says I went to public school? Even for the public school graduates of my generation or any other, any info we desire is @ our feet thanks to thw world wide web. Its nice to know that you so readily empathize w/ uneducated youth, although there will always be things I dnt know, I am not among them therefore your inferences are inaccurate. I do have a question What has backed the American Dollar since we were taken off of the gold standard? Do you know the answer to that? If so, your response will be greatly appreciated.
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