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No. 10
Old Nov 05, 2009, 07:14 PM

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I wonder . . .how did one man with two handguns shoot that many people on an Army base where people are trained to fight?

steph
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No. 11
from Elvish
Old Nov 05, 2009, 07:35 PM
Updated Nov 05, 2009 at 07:51 PM by Elvish

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I am hearing from CNN that the gunman is not dead, but in custody. Don't know that I'd call it PTSD as we define it in troops or not, but certainly a psychiatrist who specializes in PTSD and combat-related mental illness has heard enough war horror stories to last a lifetime. And to be driven mad by the seeming futility, waste of life, and never-ending nature of it.

I'm hoping that he's willing to talk, and that everyone can get some answers. Answers would be good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6oWvAGmiCo
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No. 12
from GCTMT
Old Nov 05, 2009, 07:45 PM

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It sounds to me like this fella was really angry about being deployed to Iraq. What a tragedy. I hope he is alive so that we can get some answers.
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No. 13
from GCTMT
Old Nov 05, 2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
I wonder . . .how did one man with two handguns shoot that many people on an Army base where people are trained to fight?

steph

They probably felt pretty secure Steph. I think it was a case of being caugh off-guard.
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No. 14
from Kolohe99
Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
I wonder . . .how did one man with two handguns shoot that many people on an Army base where people are trained to fight?

steph
Ironically, I believe that weapons and ammo aren't easily available at an army base. (I was never in the military so I can't confirm this first hand.) But I do know that my high school friend's husband deployed just last night from GA, and he wasn't issued his weapon until just before he got on the plane.
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No. 15
from Elvish
Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolohe99 View Post
Ironically, I believe that weapons and ammo aren't easily available at an army base. (I was never in the military so I can't confirm this first hand.) But I do know that my high school friend's husband deployed just last night from GA, and he wasn't issued his weapon until just before he got on the plane.
That sounds pretty accurate, Kolohe, from what I know secondhand from my brother. (Maybe each branch has its own regs, or maybe the DoD has universal regs, I don't know.) But people don't just walk around with weapons all the time unless it's a specific part of their job on the base. Even with hand-to-hand training they get in basic, I'm sure the last place they would expect to have to use it is right in their own backyard...
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No. 16
Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:41 PM

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Generally unless there is an exercise going on or an alert at bases that are not in a war zone the military does not go around armed. The military police are generally the only ones armed but stateside think of them more as regular cops, they function just like any police force. Military bases are some of the safest places on earth to be. People can leave doors unlocked and there is little to no crime on most bases. These guns that were used I bet were his own personal weapons and not military issued.
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No. 17
from Moogie
Old Nov 05, 2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvish View Post
I am hearing from CNN that the gunman is not dead, but in custody. Don't know that I'd call it PTSD as we define it in troops or not, but certainly a psychiatrist who specializes in PTSD and combat-related mental illness has heard enough war horror stories to last a lifetime. And to be driven mad by the seeming futility, waste of life, and never-ending nature of it.
I have read that, too. I also just saw a link that stated there are now 13 dead.

I agree that the gunman caught his fellow soldiers off-guard. Most soldiers are unarmed when they are on base, except when they are training on the rifle or pistol ranges. Husband just said that, if he used a military handgun or automatic civilian handgun, he would have had eight rounds per clip and that it is fairly easy to reload more clips. Had he been armed with revolvers, he could not have shot so many people in a short amount of time.

BTW, I was not trying to infer that the psychiatrist who did this had PTSD. I was trying to say, as was Elvish, that he MAY have had increased anxiety due to hearing war stories from those who had been deployed. Furthermore, not all veterans with PTSD end up shooting other people. My husband, who has also been deployed three times, has struggled with PTSD ever since his last deployment and he is certainly NOT violent.

I honestly think it is inappropriate to label this "domestic terrorism" despite the number of people who were killed. I think labels are of little use when exploring the motives for any acts of violence.

I also do not believe we will ever be able to make sense out of this tragedy. However, it does bring to light the often unseen consequences of war and the psychological effects that are not addressed appropriately. Perhaps the troops need to be screened even more carefully and be more psychologically prepared before deployment.

Perhaps it is time to end our involvement in these senseless wars for once and for all.
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No. 18
from Moogie
Old Nov 05, 2009, 09:11 PM

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If these were his personal weapons, does that mean there's a need for gun control?

Donning the flameproof suit now...
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No. 19
from GCTMT
Old Nov 05, 2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Moogie View Post
If these were his personal weapons, does that mean there's a need for gun control?

Donning the flameproof suit now...

That's a good question, but, you can't legislate every wacko or his/her bad intentions. Sometimes terrible things just happen.
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