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No. 20
Old Nov 05, 2009, 09:36 PM

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Unfriggin believable, I finally agreed with GCTMT on something

the sky is falling, the sky is fallin!!
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No. 21
from Chapis
Old Nov 06, 2009, 07:38 AM

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very very sad, to be watching out for one of our own to turn on us on our soil is just heart breaking. May God be with us all, Prayers for family and everyone involved! I just don't have the words, it's . . . crazy
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No. 22
from VickyRN
Old Nov 06, 2009, 08:42 AM

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According to a New York Times Article (11/6), this suspect was "mortified" about deployment to war. Apparently, he was increasingly conflicted about being a Muslim and being in the US Armed Services. He also felt discriminated against.

Some years ago, that included retaining a lawyer and asking if he could get out of the Army before his contract was up, because of the harassment he had received as a Muslim...

In one posting on the Web site Scribd, a man named Nidal Hasan compared the heroism of a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers to suicide bombers who sacrifice themselves to protect Muslims.

“If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory,” the man wrote. It could not be confirmed, however, that the writer was Major Hasan...

The former imam at a Silver Spring, Md., mosque where Major Hasan worshiped for about 10 years described him as proud of his work in the Army and “very serious about his religion.” The former imam, Faizul Khan, said that Major Hasan had wanted to marry an equally religious woman but that his efforts to find one had failed... “He wanted a woman who prayed five times a day and wears a hijab, and maybe the women he met were not complying with those things,” the former imam said.
http://www.nytimes.com:80/2009/11/06...html?th&emc=th
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No. 23
from GCTMT
Old Nov 06, 2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyrshamarks View Post
Unfriggin believable, I finally agreed with GCTMT on something

the sky is falling, the sky is fallin!!


Well, the world is a strange place. Don't get used to us agreeing on things, buddy.
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No. 24
Old Nov 06, 2009, 10:05 AM

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The shooter is on a vent . . . I hope he lives because I want to ask WHY? :angryfire



"Army officials say the suspect, "the lone shooter" for this tragic incident, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan., is currently on a ventilator at a nearby civilian hospital and the police officer who gunned him down, Kimberly Munley, a civilian Fort Hood police officer, is in stable condition."

. . . ."Cone said the officer who brought down Hasan was Sergeant Kimberly Munley, who responded within three minutes of the shots ringing out.
"She happened to encounter the gunman. In an exchange of gunfire, she was wounded but managed to wound him four times," Cone said. "It was an amazing and aggressive performance by this police officer.". . . ."

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/ar...&in_page_id=64
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No. 25
Old Nov 06, 2009, 10:08 AM

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http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36899

"A Killeen police SWAT team converged on the apartment in the evening and blocked the apartment complex with the department's armored vehicle. Officers flanked the vehicle and roamed the streets, while they waited for Fort Hood investigators to arrive and process the scene.

In the morning, neighbors said Hasan handed Qurans and donated his furniture to anyone who would take it."
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No. 26
Old Nov 06, 2009, 10:10 AM

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=120138496

. . ."In a statement issued by a public relations firm, Hasan's first cousin, Nader Hasan, said Nidal Hasan was born in Arlington, Va., and went to local high schools before attending Virginia Tech. Nader Hasan said he spoke for the family because Nidal Hasan's parents are no longer alive.
"We are shocked and saddened by the terrible events at Fort Hood today," the statement read, in part. "We send the families of the victims our most heartfelt sympathies ... We are filled with grief for the families of today's victims. Our family loves America. We are proud of our country, and saddened by today's tragedy." . . . . ."

. . . ."A source tells NPR's Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.. . . ."

...."Islamic groups were also quick to condemn the killing after it became clear that the suspected shooter was Muslim. The Council of American-Islamic Relations issued a statement calling it a "cowardly" attack.
"American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured," the group's statement said.. . ."
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No. 27
from tntrn
Old Nov 06, 2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
I wonder . . .how did one man with two handguns shoot that many people on an Army base where people are trained to fight?

steph
In large part because the MP on a military base are the only soldiers allowed to carry weapons. How stupid is that?
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No. 28
Old Nov 06, 2009, 11:33 AM
Updated Nov 06, 2009 at 11:45 AM by Spidey's mom

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http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...26713&src=news


I hope you don't have to be a member of yahoo to see this . .. it is a montage from different networks about the woman who shot the man and from an ER doc and from an American Muslim.

steph
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No. 29
from heron
Old Nov 06, 2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyrshamarks View Post
Generally unless there is an exercise going on or an alert at bases that are not in a war zone the military does not go around armed. The military police are generally the only ones armed but stateside think of them more as regular cops, they function just like any police force. Military bases are some of the safest places on earth to be. People can leave doors unlocked and there is little to no crime on most bases. These guns that were used I bet were his own personal weapons and not military issued.
Not quite ...

My daughter-in-law was raped by a fellow Marine while serving on Okinawa. She had to continue working on the same base for most of a year before she could come home. She'll be dealing with the fallout for a looooong time.

Rape is a huge problem in the military ... as are some other problems like domestic violence, and so on. Just sayin'.

That being said ... here's my admittedly intuitive and possibly naive take on this so far.

Hasan is a mental health professional ... it's his job to attend to the mental/emotional issues of soldiers. It's also his job to be sure they are combat-ready. I understand a good proportion of the troops on the site were preparing to do repeat tours in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's easy to imagine a scenario in which he was under pressure to return soldiers to combat by fudging his evaluations a bit.

Besides ... can you imagine the stories he heard from these soldiers?

Now he gets to go to Iraq and deal with that horror at much closer range ... still under pressure to return soldiers to combat asap.

Plus, we don't know what kind of bond he feels for the people who are trying to kill his patients ... and whom his patients are killing. If he is Muslim himself ... how does it feel to hear the things that must be said by people trying to fight Muslim extremists?

Add to all that a (theoretical) depression and I can easily imagine a suicide by cop, military style.

No evidence for any of this ... merely one of several possible etiologies.
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