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Jul 03, 2009 12:05 PM

Proposed Senate Plan Would Involve IRS in Collecting Fines from Non-participants

by Jolie

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jul 3, 7:25 am ET

...In a revamped health care system envisioned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000....

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines would raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would offset at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation....

The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines, which would be collected through the income tax system....


2 things jump out at me:

The fines would generate approximately 36 bilion over 10 years, and we are supposed to believe that will cover over 1/2 the cost of providing basic medical coverage to Americans? Initial cost estimates put the pricetag of national healthcare at $1 trillion over 10 years. Recent CBO revisions dropped that estimate to roughly $600 billion over 10 years. That's still a far cry from $36 billion in revenue collected by the IRS in fines over 10 years.

Who wants the IRS involved in their health care financing?

full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090703/..._care_overhaul


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from herring_RN
Old Jul 03, 2009, 12:10 PM

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I oppose this.

Why should we be forced to enrich corporations that have said they can and will cancel our healthcare on a tecnicality if we need expensive care?

The SAME corporations that donate to the senators campaigns?
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Old Jul 04, 2009, 12:32 PM

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Thanks for posting the article. This is the first I've heard of an insurance cooperative instead of a government insurance option.
In the Senate, the Finance Committee version of the bill is unlikely to include a government-run insurance option. Bipartisan negotiations are centered on a proposal for a nonprofit insurance cooperative as a competitor to private companies.
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Old Jul 04, 2009, 07:54 PM
Updated Jul 05, 2009 at 02:13 AM by Moogie

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I would like to see the IRS start collecting taxes from politicians (on both sides of the aisle, thank you) who don't pay their taxes. :angryfire
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Old Jul 08, 2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Moogie View Post
I would like to see the IRS start collecting taxes from politicians (on both sides of the aisle, thank you) who don't pay their taxes. :angryfire

...or from the 14 million (and counting) who are currently unemployed...including Yours Truly.

Good luck to them.
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Old Jul 09, 2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post

...In a revamped health care system envisioned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000....

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines would raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would offset at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation....

The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines, which would be collected through the income tax system....


Why would you base your funding on people not following the rules? How is that sound budgeting? What if everyone actually obeyed the rules?

sheesh . .


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Old Jul 09, 2009, 01:55 PM
Updated Jul 09, 2009 at 02:34 PM by Chapis

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What about the people that work and get paid cash and never get a W2 to file their taxes? How are they going to fine them, in order for the IRS to get everyone they’re only going to get the people with a W2, so for the government to fine Everyone without a health insurance they must run nationwide SSN report because if it’s through the IRS only the people filing their taxes will get caught. Also, why fine the rest of the people? They need to just fine the individuals that seek medical assistance and have medical bills unpaid.
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Old Jul 09, 2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CseMgr1 View Post
...or from the 14 million (and counting) who are currently unemployed...including Yours Truly.

Good luck to them.
I don't have a problem with people not paying taxes because they're unemployed or underemployed. I also don't have a problem with someone making a mistake on his/her taxes. It happens. I do have a problem with wealthy business owners, CEOs and politicians hired to be the people's servants who weasel out of paying the taxes they owe.

I'm a farmer's daughter and, while my dad never made very much money, he was always glad to pay taxes because that meant he WAS making something. While no one LIKES to pay taxes, they still are a sign that one has an income, preferably one with a living wage.
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